The up and down saga of the purported 2015 Kinks reunion seems to have taken a downturn.

In an interview last week with the British paper the Telegraph, Ray Davies said that things aren’t looking good. “I really can’t play with my brother [guitarist Dave Davies] as that name, The Kinks, and not have [drummer] Mick [Avory] in. Mick will work with him, but Dave doesn’t want to work with Mick. Sibling rivalry is nothing on their rivalry. I have no idea what’s wrong with them.”

Actually, there’s a history of animosity between the younger Davies and Avory that’s nearly as old as the band, which celebrated its 50th anniversary this year. Ray, who along with Dave went out as The Kinks without Avory between 1984 and 1996, doesn’t explain why he feels so strongly that Mick must be included in any reunion plans. Original bassist Pete Quaife left the band in 1969 and died in 2010.